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4  ·  Expressions (level 4)

However much: zěnme yě, zěnme dōu, zài … yě

effort that changes nothing

Zěnme yě or zěnme dōu before a negative says that no way works; zài … yě says that even more would not help.

怎么(zěnme) + 也(yě) or 都(dōu) + a negative verb says that every way has been tried and none works: 我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)也(yě)想不起来(xiǎngbuqǐlai)他(tā)的(de)名字(míngzi), “I just cannot remember his name, however hard I try”. The question word “how” turns into “in whatever way”, and 也(yě) or 都(dōu) makes the statement total.

The verb after it is almost always negative, and very often a potential complement: 打不开(dǎbukāi), cannot get it open; 睡不着(shuìbuzháo), cannot fall asleep; 记不住(jìbuzhù), cannot remember. For something that did not happen, 没(méi) takes its place: 怎么(zěnme)也(yě)没(méi)找到(zhǎodào).

再(zài) + adjective or verb + 也(yě) means “however …, still”: 再(zài)忙(máng)也(yě)要(yào)吃(chī)早饭(zǎofàn), “however busy you are, you must eat breakfast”. Here 再(zài) does not mean “again” but “even more”: however much busier you got, it would still hold.

English speakers reach for 无论(wúlùn)我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)努力(nǔlì), which is correct but formal. The everyday way is the short 怎么(zěnme)也(yě). With 都(dōu) and a positive verb, the same shape says that any way will do: 怎么(zěnme)都(dōu)行(xíng), “any way is fine”.

The form

however I try, not怎么(zěnme)也(yě)不(bù)…
the same with dōu怎么(zěnme)都(dōu)睡不着(shuìbuzháo)。
in the past: méi怎么(zěnme)也(yě)没(méi)找到(zhǎodào)
however much more … still再(zài)贵(guì)也(yě)要(yào)买(mǎi)
any way is fine怎么(zěnme)都(dōu)行(xíng)。

The rules one by one

The form this topic is about

  1. Zěnme yě or zěnme dōu goes before a negative verb: no way works.

    这(zhè)个(ge)瓶子(píngzi)我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)也(yě)打不开(dǎbukāi)。I cannot get this bottle open, whatever I do.

  2. For something that did not happen, use méi.

    我(wǒ)找(zhǎo)了(le)一(yí)上午(shàngwǔ),钥匙(yàoshi)怎么(zěnme)也(yě)没(méi)找到(zhǎodào)。I searched all morning and just could not find the keys.

  3. Zài + adjective + yě: however … it gets, it still holds.

    再(zài)忙(máng)也(yě)要(yào)注意(zhùyì)身体(shēntǐ)。However busy you are, you have to look after your health.

  4. With dōu and a positive verb, zěnme says that any way will do.

    你(nǐ)想(xiǎng)怎么(zěnme)安排(ānpái)都(dōu)行(xíng)。Arrange it however you like — it is all fine.

A closer look

Why a question word can mean “any”

Chinese question words have a second life. Followed by 也(yě) or 都(dōu), they stop asking and start covering every case: 谁(shéi)都(dōu)知道(zhīdao), everybody knows; 什么(shénme)都(dōu)吃(chī), eats anything; 哪儿(nǎr)也(yě)不(bú)去(qù), is not going anywhere.

怎么(zěnme)也(yě) is the same pattern built on “how”: in whatever way — and since every way has failed, it ends in a negative. Learning the pattern once covers all the question words.

Exceptions and special cases (1)
  • 再(zài) and 也(yě) stand together before a negative

    the meaning is “never again”.

    我(wǒ)再(zài)也(yě)不(bú)去(qù)那(nà)家(jiā)店(diàn)了(le)。I am never going to that shop again.

    Here 再(zài) is the ordinary “again”, and 也(yě) makes the negative total: not even once more.

How to spot it

  • 怎么(zěnme)也(yě)
  • 怎么(zěnme)都(dōu)
  • 再(zài)…也(yě)

Example sentences

这(zhè)道(dào)数学(shùxué)题(tí)我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)也(yě)做不出来(zuòbuchūlai)。I just cannot solve this maths problem, however I try.

昨晚(zuówǎn)太(tài)热(rè)了(le),我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)都(dōu)睡不着(shuìbuzháo)。It was so hot last night that I could not get to sleep at all.

他(tā)的(de)电话(diànhuà)我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)打(dǎ)也(yě)打不通(dǎbutōng)。However many times I call him, I cannot get through.

再(zài)难(nán)的(de)事(shì)也(yě)总(zǒng)有(yǒu)办法(bànfǎ)解决(jiějué)。However hard a thing is, there is always a way to solve it.

这(zhè)双(shuāng)鞋(xié)再(zài)便宜(piányi)我(wǒ)也(yě)不(bù)买(mǎi),太(tài)难看(nánkàn)了(le)。However cheap these shoes are, I am not buying them — they are too ugly.

她(tā)的(de)名字(míngzi)我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)也(yě)想不起来(xiǎngbuqǐlai)了(le)。I just cannot remember her name.

8 more example sentences

这(zhè)个(ge)字(zì)我(wǒ)写(xiě)了(le)很(hěn)多(duō)遍(biàn),怎么(zěnme)也(yě)记不住(jìbuzhù)。I have written this character many times and still cannot remember it.

孩子(háizi)哭(kū)个(ge)不停(bùtíng),妈妈(māma)怎么(zěnme)哄(hǒng)都(dōu)没(méi)用(yòng)。The child would not stop crying, and nothing the mother tried could soothe it.

再(zài)晚(wǎn)我(wǒ)也(yě)等(děng)你(nǐ)。However late it gets, I will wait for you.

你(nǐ)再(zài)说(shuō)一(yì)百(bǎi)遍(biàn),他(tā)也(yě)不会(búhuì)听(tīng)的(de)。You could say it a hundred more times and he still would not listen.

门(mén)我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)推(tuī)都(dōu)推不开(tuībukāi)。I could not push the door open, however I tried.

再(zài)累(lèi)也(yě)得(děi)把(bǎ)作业(zuòyè)写完(xiěwán)。However tired you are, you have to finish your homework.

周末(zhōumò)怎么(zěnme)过(guò)我(wǒ)都(dōu)行(xíng),你(nǐ)决定(juédìng)吧(ba)。I am happy to spend the weekend however you like — you decide.

他(tā)的(de)病(bìng)怎么(zěnme)治(zhì)也(yě)治不好(zhìbuhǎo)。Whatever treatment he had, his illness could not be cured.

Worth knowing (1)
  • The verb said twice

    Speech often puts the verb in twice: once after 怎么(zěnme), and once more with its complement after 也(yě). The first names the effort, the second its failure — “however I untie it, it won’t untie”.

    这(zhè)个(ge)结(jié)我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)解(jiě)也(yě)解不开(jiěbukāi)。However I try, I cannot undo this knot.

The trap English speakers fall into

Watch out

In English, “however hard I looked” can lead to a happy ending (“… I found it in the end”). 怎么(zěnme)也(yě) cannot: it promises failure and needs a negative after it — 不(bù) for cannot, 没(méi) for did not.

Wrong:我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)也(yě)找到(zhǎodào)我(wǒ)的(de)手机(shǒujī)。
Right:我(wǒ)怎么(zěnme)也(yě)找不到(zhǎobudào)我(wǒ)的(de)手机(shǒujī)。

Zěnme yě almost always leads to a no; zài … yě says even more would change nothing.

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